47 Elizabeth II, A.D. 1998, Canada

Journals of the Senate

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Issue 72

Thursday, June 11, 1998
2:00 p.m.

The Honourable Gildas L. Molgat, Speaker

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The Members convened were:

The Honourable Senators

Adams, Andreychuk, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Beaudoin, Berntson, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, Butts, Callbeck, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Cochrane, Cohen, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, DeWare, Di Nino, Doody, Eyton, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Fitzpatrick, Forest, Forrestall, Gauthier, Ghitter, Gigantès, Grafstein, Graham, Grimard, Gustafson, Hébert, Johnson, Johnstone, Joyal, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Lavoie-Roux, Lawson, LeBreton, Lewis, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mercier, Milne, Molgat, Moore, Murray, Nolin, Pearson, Pépin, Perrault, Phillips, Poulin, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, (L'Acadie-Acadia), Robichaud, (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), Rompkey, Rossiter, St. Germain, Simard, Spivak, Stewart, Stollery, Stratton, Taylor, Watt

PRAYERS

SENATORS' STATEMENTS

Pursuant to Rule 43(7), the Honourable Senator Cools gave notice that she would raise a question of privilege in respect of a Media Advisory dated June 10, 1998 entitled MPs LAUNCH PETITION CAMPAIGN TO ABOLISH SENATE and the resultant article in the June 11, 1998 Ottawa Citizen entitled: MPs take Senate debate to people. Some Honourable Senators made statements.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Reports from Inter-Parliamentary Delegations

The Honourable Senator Poulin tabled the following:

Reports of the Canadian Branch of the Assemblée internationale des parlementaires de langue française, respecting its participation at the Forum on Information Highways in Parliamentary Francophonie and the meeting of the AIPLF Education, Communications and Cultural Affairs Committee, held in Quebec City, from April 20 to 22, 1998.-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-642.

ANSWERS TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Rule 25(2), the Honourable Senator Carstairs tabled the following:

Reply to Question No. 96, dated March 19, 1998, appearing on the Order Paper in the name of the Honourable Senator Kenny, respecting the Alternative Fuels Act-Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development.-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-643S.

ORDERS OF THE DAY

GOVERNMENT BUSINESS

Bills

Third reading of Bill C-15, An Act to amend the Canada Shipping Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts.

The Honourable Senator Mercier moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Callbeck, that the Bill be read the third time.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

The Bill was then read the third time and passed.

Ordered, That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate have passed this Bill, without amendment. Third reading of Bill C-6, An Act to provide for an integrated system of land and water management in the Mackenzie Valley, to establish certain boards for that purpose and to make consequential amendments to other Acts.

The Honourable Senator Forest moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Fitzpatrick, that the Bill be read the third time.

After debate, The Honourable Senator Di Nino moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator DeWare, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS

The Honourable Senators

Andreychuk, Atkins, Beaudoin, Berntson, Bolduc, Buchanan, Cochrane, Cohen, Comeau, DeWare, Di Nino, Eyton, Forrestall, Grimard, Gustafson, Johnson, Kinsella, Lavoie-Roux, LeBreton, Lynch-Staunton, Nolin, Phillips, Rivest, Rossiter, St. Germain, Simard, Spivak, Stratton-28

NAYS

The Honourable Senators

Adams, Austin, Bacon, Callbeck, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Fitzpatrick, Forest, Gigantès, Grafstein, Graham, Hébert, Johnstone, Joyal, Kenny, Lawson, Losier-Cool, Maheu, Mercier, Milne, Moore, Pearson, Pépin, Perrault, Poulin, Prud'homme, Robichaud, (L'Acadie-Acadia), Robichaud, (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), Rompkey, Stewart, Stollery, Taylor, Watt-38,

ABSTENTIONS

The Honourable Senators

Nil

MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE OF COMMONS

A Message was brought from the House of Commons with a Bill C-37, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, to which they desire the concurrence of the Senate.

The Bill was read the first time.

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bacon, that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading on Tuesday next, June 16, 1998.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons with a Bill C-25, An Act to amend the National Defence Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, to which they desire the concurrence of the Senate.

The Bill was read the first time.

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Joyal, P.C., that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading on Tuesday next, June 16, 1998.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons with a Bill C-30, An Act respecting the powers of the Mi'Kmaq of Nova Scotia in relation to education, to which they desire the concurrence of the Senate.

The Bill was read the first time.

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Adams, that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading on Tuesday next, June 16, 1998.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons to return Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts,

And to acquaint the Senate that the Commons have agreed to the amendments made by the Senate to this Bill, without amendment.

Bills

The Senate resumed debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Forest, seconded by the Honourable Senator Fitzpatrick, for the third reading of Bill C-6, An Act to provide for an integrated system of land and water management in the Mackenzie Valley, to establish certain boards for that purpose and to make consequential amendments to other Acts.

After debate, The Honourable Senator Di Nino moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kinsella, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Orders No. 3 to 5 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

OTHER BUSINESS

Senate Public Bills

Orders No. 1 and 2 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Reports of Committees

Orders No. 1 to 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Other

Order No. 15 (inquiry) was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Order No. 67 (motion) was called and postponed until later this day.

Order No. 73 (motion) was called and postponed until the next sitting.

Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator LeBreton calling the attention of the Senate to the Report entitled: Cancelling the Pearson Airport Agreements, by Stephen D. Lerner.

After debate, The Honourable Senator Kinsella for the Honourable Senator Tkachuk moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Atkins, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Ordered, That Order No. 3 under Reports of Committees be again called.

Consideration of the Twenty-first Report of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration (supplementary budget-Aboriginal Peoples Committee), presented in the Senate on June 10, 1998.

The Honourable Senator Nolin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator LeBreton, that the Report be adopted.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable the Speaker informed the Senate that a communication had been received from the Deputy Secretary to the Governor General.

The Communication was then read by the Honourable the Speaker as follows:

RIDEAU HALL

June 11, 1998

Mr. Speaker:

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Charles Gonthier, Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 11th day of June, 1998, at 5:15 p.m. for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain Bills.

Yours sincerely,

Anthony P. Smyth

Deputy Secretary, Policy, Program and Protocol

The Honourable The Speaker of the Senate Ottawa

Other

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton, seconded by the Honourable Senator DeWare:

That the Senate endorses and supports the findings and recommendations of the Commission of Inquiry on the Blood System in Canada;

That the Senate for humanitarian reasons urges the Government of Canada and the Governments of the Provinces and of the Territories to comply with these findings and recommendations; and

That a copy of this motion be forwarded to each federal, provincial and territorial Minister of Health,

And on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator DeWare, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kinsella, that the motion be not now adopted, but that it be amended in paragraph two by removing and replacing the words "to comply with these findings and recommendations" with the following:

"to not exclude in determining compensation any person who has contracted Hepatitis C from blood components or blood products.",

And on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Berntson, seconded by the Honourable Senator DeWare, that the motion be not now adopted, but that it be further amended in paragraph one by removing the words "the findings and recommendations" and replacing them with "Recommendation 1"; and adding after the words "in Canada", "and recognises the role of the Government of Canada in contributing to its implementation".

After debate, The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C. (L'Acadie-Acadia), that further debate on the motion in amendment be adjourned until the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Orders No. 27 (inquiry), 45 (motion), 23, 32 (inquiries) and 1 (motion) were called and postponed until the next sitting.

Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Gauthier calling the attention of the Senate to the Journée internationale de la francophonie, on Friday, March 20, 1998.

Debate concluded.

QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE

Pursuant to Rule 43(8), the Senate proceeded to the consideration of Senator Cools' question of privilege in respect of a Media Advisory dated June 10, 1998 entitled MPs LAUNCH PETITION CAMPAIGN TO ABOLISH SENATE and the resultant article in the June 11, 1998 Ottawa Citizen entitled: MPs take Senate debate to people.

After debate, The Speaker reserved his decision.

With leave of the Senate, The Honourable Senator Cools tabled the following:

Copy of Media Advisory dated June 10, 1998 entitled MPs LAUNCH PETITION CAMPAIGN TO ABOLISH SENATE. (English text)-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-644S.

Pursuant to Rule 135(8), the proceedings were interrupted to resume after Royal Assent.

ROYAL ASSENT

The Senate adjourned during pleasure to await the arrival of the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General.

After awhile, the Honourable Charles Joseph Doherty Gonthier, a Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General, having come and being seated at the foot of the Throne-

The Honourable the Speaker commanded the Usher of the Black Rod to proceed to the House of Commons and acquaint that House that:-

"It is the desire of the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General that they attend him immediately in the Senate Chamber."

The House of Commons being come,

One of the Clerks at the table then read the titles of the Bills to be assented to as follows:

An Act for making the system of Canadian ports competitive, efficient and commercially oriented, providing for the establishing of port authorities and the divesting of certain harbours and ports, for the commercialization of the St. Lawrence Seaway and ferry services and other matters related to maritime trade and transport and amending the Pilotage Act and amending and repealing other Acts as a consequence (Bill C-9, Chapter 10, 1998)

An Act to amend the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act (Bill C-12, Chapter 11, 1998)

An Act to amend the Pension Benefits Standards Act, 1985 and the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions Act (Bill S-3, Chapter 12, 1998)

An Act respecting depository bills and depository notes and to amend the Financial Administration Act (Bill S-9, Chapter 13, 1998)

An Act respecting Canada Lands Surveyors (Bill C-31, Chapter 14, 1998)

An Act to amend the Nunavut Act and the Constitution Act, 1867 (Bill C-39, Chapter 15, 1998)

An Act to amend the Canada Shipping Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts (Bill C-15, Chapter 16, 1998)

An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts (Bill C-4, Chapter 17, 1998)

An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (Bill C-411, Chapter 18, 1998).

To these Bills the Royal Assent was pronounced by the Clerk of the Senate in the following words:-

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General doth assent to these Bills."

5:27 p.m.

The Commons withdrew.

After which the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General was pleased to retire.

MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE OF COMMONS

A Message was brought from the House of Commons with a Bill C-47, An Act to amend the Parliament of Canada Act, the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and the Salaries Act, to which they desire the concurrence of the Senate.

The Bill was read the first time.

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Fairbairn, P.C., that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading on Monday next, June 15, 1998.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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With leave, The Senate reverted to Government Notices of Motions.

With leave of the Senate, The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Fairbairn, P.C.:

That when the Senate adjourns today, it do stand adjourned until Monday next, June 15, 1998, at 7:30 p.m.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):

Reports of Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1998, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-641.

ADJOURNMENT

The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Fairbairn, P.C.:

That the Senate do now adjourn.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 85(4)

Special Committee of the Senate on Security and Intelligence

The name of the Honourable Senator Pépin substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Fitzpatrick (June 10).

Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology

The name of the Honourable Senator Perrault substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Stollery (June 10).

The names of the Honourable Senators Cools, Stollery and Chalifoux substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Callbeck, Perrault and Cook (June 11).

Standing Senate Committee on National Finance

The name of the Honourable Senator Mercier substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Carstairs (June 11).

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